HEADED UBC DEBATE FINAL SUMMARY

FOR THE START OF THIS DEBATE SEE AUSSIE CREATIONIST'S SUPERSTAR was the label used by Sceptical Center For Inquiry guru for John Mackay following John's debate at Uni BC January 25 against Prof Dan Ryder.

MACKAY vs RYDER ONLINE DEBATE FINAL SUMMARY . Here’s what we said:

Most of what Dr. Dan did over the past weeks was attack straw men and shown his misunderstanding of the biblical creation model.

Dan tried (and failed) to connect languages with biological evolution. Fact - languages/dogs change, but this is not evidence organisms change to completely different kinds. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v14/n2/languages

Dan also claimed small mutational genetic changes accumulate to evolve new organisms. The late biology professor Lynn Margulis famously stated: "Never, however, did that one mutation make a wing, a fruit, a woody stem, or a claw appear…No evidence in the vast literature of heredity changes shows unambiguous evidence that random mutation itself, even with geographical isolation of populations, leads to speciation." I agree. No one has observed the evolution of a single new body part let alone new organisms. Supermutagenesis experiments of fruit flies for over 100 years underscores this failure. Organisms give rise to progeny only slightly varied from their parents. I support common ancestry in that every organism can be traced back to separately created parents. http://thegrandexperiment.com

Likewise Erwin's paper challenges Dan’s claims; http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1525-142x.2000.00045.x/full

As for fossils, they support the creation model very well. "Most fossil species appear suddenly without transitional forms in a layer of rock and persist essentially unchanged until disappearing from the record of rocks as suddenly as they appeared." (Graham and Campbell, Biology: Concepts and Connections, 2006, p. 290.) This means the first fossil bat, seal, ant or shrimp is essentially identical to modern versions with no hint of differing ancestors from which they supposedly evolved. Fossils are a record of sudden death, representing catastrophically torn apart ecosystems transported and buried, first during Noah's flood, and later in smaller cataclysms. http://www.ubcocreation.com/media.html

Dan supports geologic strata of great age and cited varves in the Cache Creek area. But I have a complete fossil mesosaur buried across many varves which proves multiple varves can be deposited rapidly. http://www.creationresearch.net/research/Mesosaur.htm

Also, Guy Berthault’s flume experiments showed that mixed mineral laden currents do RAPIDLY produce strata explaining how fish can be fossilized in the act of eating one another, again undermining Dan's deep time argument. http://iooe.org/Publications/113-Fossils-Confirm-the-Biblical-Creation-and-the-Genesis-Flood

During the debate, I asked for evidence of molecules-to-man evolution (macroevolution). Dan boasted science overwhelmingly favours evolution because of "the sheer weight of evidence," which he would cite in the online debate.Dan still hasn't cited this evidence. Put up or shut up as they say. Sadly Dan has done neither. http://crev.info/baloney-detector/

More Observable evidence. www.youtube.com/user/askjohnmackay/videos

ANTIBIOTIC RESISTANCE http://www.creationresearch.net/products/web%20book.htm

www.evidenceweb.net search FINCH, GALAPAGOS, KANGAROOS, DATING

ORIGIN OF LIFEhttp://www.creationresearch.net/secure/study%20guide/study%20guide%20list.htm

 
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